it has been nice talking with you.but i seem to upset a few because of my faith.. so have a great christmas.... & be good, i wont be here to send you to your rooms .
i have grown close to many of you.... if i have ever said anything to hurt you sorry!!!!.
when i kick the bucket i am sure "mary" who ssometimes post will let you know.. mouthy grace gough.
Please do not stop posting Grace. So many on here need you. I know you truly helped me, it would be such a shame to let a few stupid people stop you from being here. It breaks my heart to think you will not be here anymore.
We need you. Please stay. You really helped me so much and I know you have helped so many others. Those of us who you have touched in our lives will never forget you.
LITS
i asked my son quite randomly before bed what he thinks the meaning of life is.
like always, his answer brought a smile to my face.
he said, "to have a great time .. to have fun and have friends ... and be happy.
What a precious child, he is so lucky to have you as a father. You must be so proud. Thanks for sharing.
LITS
have you heard what the "big announcement" is to be this week.
supposedly the bethel homes will get some announcement today and the congregations will announce the new something by the end of the week..
Cult classic
I think it is two months now. I just got a email from my JW friend it was announced yesterday at morning worship here in the USA but they wanted to wait until all branches had morning worship before they let the word truly out.
LITS
page 12 of the january 1,1989 wt original magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".
(a subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d.).
this sentence is changed in the bound volume reprint to read "a work that would be completed in our day.
Marked
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jail-jehovahs-witness-elder-jonathan-6258814.
oct 31 2013. .
a jehovah's witness elder who was exposed as a paedophile on facebook has been jailed.. jonathan rose was branded a hypocrite as he was locked up for molesting two little girls he met through the church.. manchester crown court heard that rose, of new moston , won the trust of his victims families before targeting their daughters.
k.chambers
you are spot on.
LITS
can a publisher "drop out" and still be in good standing?.
I Stopped giving talks 10 years ago five years before I stopped going to meetings. The last talk I had I totally disagreed with what I was saying. I just could not do it anymore. I was surprised at how easy it was to stop. My husband was a strong elder at the time and I thought for sure I would be given grief over it but no one said a word to me. If only I had known how easy it was to stop I would have quit sooner. After I stopped I started to realized that hardly any of the elders wives gave talks.
LITS
i thought i was back on the jw radar after my jw daughter had a local elder call on me back in 2011 - but apparently not.
he obviously didn't let his elders know i lived here, no record was kept for posterity and just called my daughter telling her that her " dad has differences with the organization " because he never called back on me as he promised to talk again.
as i'm just inactive for 10 years.. so these two older jw ladys come knocking yesterday - one lady about 57 and the other lady older about 71 yrs.old ( i asked how long they had been jw's and told me they both have been in 30 years.
You did a really great job. Oh my word. I truly doubt they will call back though. If they do read the printouts what could they say to you? How can they defend the cult? They can't answer you and they know that and to call back on you will be to mind twisting for them. But if they do read the printouts what they read will forever be stuck in their minds and they cannot unring the bell once it is rung. So that is so cool because the next time and there will be a next time something comes up they will have to redouble their effort to not think. And the next time after that it will be even worse for them. Maybe someday they will wake up. One chink at a time. Hopefully this cult will fold because people will wake up because of people like you putting thoughts into to their minds to make them use their brains, its my dream at least.
Thanks for all you did. It was so great to read. You made my day.
LITS
i may be suffering twice for having left the jehovah's witnesses and watching my jw wife and other family members stay in.
once for the changed situation (or loss) and another time for expecting to make progress in getting over it.. the 1969 book on death and dying by elisabeth kubler-ross introduced us to the kubler-ross model , commonly referred to as the " five stages of grief.
" they are very helpful, but the original idea of the book and the hypothesis was that when a person is faced with the reality of impending death , he or she will experience a series of emotional stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.. it isn't always the case, but those stages are often felt by terminally ill patients.
Great thread, I also have a hard time JUST MOVING on. I know some ex JW just seem to let it all go and move on with their lives and will tell me come on its been 5 years now why do you still go to JWN. Yet when I look back at their time here on the board they were on for 5 or 6 years themselves.
Also they do not still have a family memeber in as I do with my husband. Also they did not deal with pedophiles and as I did in the hall. They did not or were never as invovled in the religion as I was. Not that I am bragging in the least, I feel stupid now for being so dumb but these people that tell me to just move on and get over it, they lived a normal life. They had kids, bought homes, had good jobs while they were JW's. I stupidly listened to the faithfull salve and did not have any kids though I would have loved to have had one or two I gave up that dream because the new system was so close that I was going to have kids in the new world so I pioneered as I was told to do. I know that was stupid now but at the time I totally bought into the kool aid and I cannot change that now. So when I see these people with their kids and now grandkids, I just feel this hurt in my gut for what I gave up.
I pioneered and lived on nothing, there were no movies or dinners out, or date nights with my husband, it was waiting in the car for hours while he was in elders meetings, our second year anniversary was spent waiting in the car until 2:00 in the morning while he was in an elders meeting. After that I gave up even trying to have a anniversary with him. Even than it hurt watching the so called normal ones in the hall have time with their husbands but I was told and I believed it so much, that it was what Jehovah wanted from me. I know, I know looking back I was so stupid, I was throwing my life away and I was too blind to see it.
I went to Bethel and took a vow of proverty, and even with all the problems there were at Bethel it was sooooo much better then pioneering that I truly thought Jehovah gave me the chance to go to Bethel as I was so close to suicide pioneering I truly believed that Jehovah gave me an out by letting me come to Bethel. I actually had time with my husband for the very first time in our four year marriage as crazy as the Bethel schedule was it was amazing how much easier it was than pioneering.
Looking back I now see I was totally missed up mentally, there were times I put myself in such danger all because of the religion, by going on calls that were so scarry or being told by the "Brothers" I hate using that turm brothers, but anywho I was told to go to parts of Brooklyn alone as a women without my husband even, places that they would never send their wives but I did it and went alone, places that are truly scarry to be in. I went, I did it, my husband let me because those above us demaned it of us.
I look back at my life, you see I did not wake up until I was 45 years old, I think how could I have been so stupid, but I was, I so bought into the kool aid. I grive now for the children I wish I had, the jobs I gave up, the homes I never had, the money I would have now, years with a husband who would truly be there for me not putting the religion first, the many, many, many nights I sat alone in the car while he was in elders meetings.
When these people tell me to just move on and get over it and I see their lives now and how they did not let the religion in like I did I know they mean well for me but I have so much more to grive over than they do. I know it was all my fault but it does not make the pain any less.
Also when you feel you have to just move on and let it go, it is so easy to go into something else that is destructive when you are coming out if you are not careful. I joined a group of people who I thought and was told that they were going through problems like mine. I thought I found a group of friends that understood me finally untill just a couple of months ago when one of the main ones in the group tried to take my business from me telling me I did not know how to run it right even through I have had my business for over 10 years now and have been running it just fine. She is my best friend in the whole world she informed me and she knows what is good for me, as I am too damaged to because of my past? I was like WHAT! I have been so mad at that and again I have been how could I have been so stupid to allow this to happen yet again. I just did not see it coming and it totally blindsided me because I wanted to move on so badly from the JW's. I now know you have to be so very careful.
I do not know if I will ever get over this. I truly wish I would and could, but JWN gives me a place to come and I am so thankful to Simon for all he has done by having this sight for us. Your thread OTWO is so spot on thank you.
LITS
absolutely weird.
minding my own business while pumping gas - this 60 year old short jw lady with fluffed bun styled 60's hair and her 30 year old attractive 5 ' 10 inch jw lady partner came straight up to me as i'm pumping.
they picked the wrong hombre .
Way to go, I hope someday to be able to do that it would be so cool. You did a great job.
LITS
my husband just gave me the latest km the novermber 2013 and it yet again has a question box on head coverings.. question box "should a female publisher wear a head covering if she is accompanied by a male pubisher at a doorstep bible study?".
it says "when a female publisher conducts a reagular, scheduled bible study and a male kingdom publisher is present, she should wear a head covering.
(1 cor 11: 3-10) the july 15 2002, issue of the watchtower page 27, explains: "this is a prearranged session of teaching where the one conducting the the study actually presides.
My husband just gave me the latest KM the Novermber 2013 and it yet again has a Question Box on head coverings.
Question Box "Should a female publisher wear a head covering if she is accompanied by a male pubisher at a doorstep Bible study?"
It says "When a female publisher conducts a reagular, scheduled Bible study and a male Kingdom publisher is present, she should wear a head covering. (1 Cor 11: 3-10) The July 15 2002, issue of the Watchtower page 27, explains: "This is a prearranged session of teaching where the one conducting the the study actually presides. Under those circumstances, a study becomes an extensiion of the congregation. If a baptized female WItnesses conducts such a study with a baptized male Witness present, she would rightly were a head covering." This is true whether the study is conducted in the home, at the doorstep, or in some other setting. On the other hand , if a doorstep Bible study has not yet been established, a sister would not need to wear a head covering in the presence of a male Kingdom publisher, even if the purpose of the return visit is to demonstrate a Bible study or to consider material in one of the recommended study publications. Since doorstep studies are often established gradually, through a series of progressive return visits, publisher will need to consider the circumstances and be resonable in determining at what point a head covering should be used.
So when are the GB going to start demanding we were Burkas? Seriously if they start making us women wear head coverings door to door the JW's will look more like a cult than ever. Maybe in other parts of the world it would be OK but here in the USA it will look really stanage and push even more to see them for what they are a cult.
LITS
